Fred E Hathaway

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  I gave my roommate the letter about the Watchtower changes

  by oppgirl63 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she just read it and handed it back to me.

  i think she believes me because i have never told her anything regarding the jw's that wasn't true.

  she really didn't have anything to say about it, and i didn't question her.

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  Fred E Hathaway

  For further insight, see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/129593/2301210/post.ashx.
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  What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

  by 5go in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

  it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

  getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

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  Fred E Hathaway

  I think it's great that there will be a separation between the 2 types of material, Public edition and Study edition. We'll then see the difference between what is considered "milk" and "meat" more clearly.
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  What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

  by 5go in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

  it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

  getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

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  Fred E Hathaway

  see my post at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/129739/1.ashx for further details
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  I gave my roommate the letter about the Watchtower changes

  by oppgirl63 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she just read it and handed it back to me.

  i think she believes me because i have never told her anything regarding the jw's that wasn't true.

  she really didn't have anything to say about it, and i didn't question her.

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  Fred E Hathaway

  Up till now the language in the Study articles has been more explanatory (like what the JW word "pioneer" means), in keeping with the fact that the public have been receiving them. This change will allow these explanations to be removed. I think that the intention is to add incentives to regular meeting attendance, which should boost faith. The separating work is definitely underway.
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  I gave my roommate the letter about the Watchtower changes

  by oppgirl63 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she just read it and handed it back to me.

  i think she believes me because i have never told her anything regarding the jw's that wasn't true.

  she really didn't have anything to say about it, and i didn't question her.

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  Fred E Hathaway

  I was there when the letter was read in my KH tonight and actually the one dated the 1st of each month will be called the Public edition, and will be available to the public. The one dated the 15th of the month will be called the Study edition, and will be available to those who attend the meetings regularly. The Study edition will contain the Watchtower articles and other material of interest to those who attend regularly.
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  Articles "a" "an" "the"

  by Inquisitor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original hebrew or greek writing of the scriptures?.

  in this week's book study, the society attempts to distinguish jesus "the first and the last" (rev 1:18) from jehovah "i am the first and i am the last" (isaiah 44:6).

  the basis for such a distinction, according to the society is that isaiah quote lacks definite articles before the words "first" and "last".

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  Fred E Hathaway

  Jesus, like the Apostle Paul, knows the truth as a language (he had made Jehovah's truth his own, we could say), so he didn't just stick to exact phraseology, whether of the original Hebrew, or the LXX translation. He thought "on his feet" like we all should. Hope that helps us in our effort not to fight over words. [2 Tim. 2:14, 24].
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  Articles "a" "an" "the"

  by Inquisitor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original hebrew or greek writing of the scriptures?.

  in this week's book study, the society attempts to distinguish jesus "the first and the last" (rev 1:18) from jehovah "i am the first and i am the last" (isaiah 44:6).

  the basis for such a distinction, according to the society is that isaiah quote lacks definite articles before the words "first" and "last".

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  Fred E Hathaway

  **r*echap.6p.27UnlockingaSacredSecret***

  In Jesus' description of himself in the original Greek at Revelation 1:17, the definite article is found. So, grammatically, Revelation 1:17 indicates a title.

  Following up my preceding comment on the Hebrew, I note the Greek phrase in question [rendered in the NWT as the First and the Last] in context as follows, from the Westcott & Hort text of 1881 [using my own transliteration and meanings]: egw[=I] eimi[=am] 'o[=the] prwtos[=first, initial] kai [=and] 'o[=the] eskhatos[=last, final], kai[=and] 'o[=the] zwn[=living one].

  My knowledge of Greek is rudimentary also, only a little better than my knowledge of Hebrew, so I'm sure that I don't know about some of the subtleties in as much detail as those who have done the research that went into the NWT, or even the comments made in the Revelation Climax book, both of which employ grade-school English, rather than University-level language.

  The main distinction that I see in comparing these 2 contexts [in Revelation versus the one in Isaiah] is the complete absence of the aspects of rulership surrounding the Greek phrase in question, vis-à-vis the Hebrew. Thus, while both Jehovah and Jesus are completely superior to the angels and the congregation, etc., Jehovah's being "the first and last" is to a superlative degree compared to even Jesus'.

  So, although I may not have thought to use the wording of the WTS, the meaning comes out the same. Jesus, being the created being, and Jehovah, the Creator, maintain their relative positions, in line with Jesus' own assertions that the Father [Jehovah] is greater than he [Jesus] is.
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  Articles "a" "an" "the"

  by Inquisitor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone tell me whether the usage of such articles can be found in the original hebrew or greek writing of the scriptures?.

  in this week's book study, the society attempts to distinguish jesus "the first and the last" (rev 1:18) from jehovah "i am the first and i am the last" (isaiah 44:6).

  the basis for such a distinction, according to the society is that isaiah quote lacks definite articles before the words "first" and "last".

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  Fred E Hathaway

  ***rechap.6p.27UnlockingaSacredSecret***

  *In the original Hebrew at Isaiah 44:6, there is no definite article with the words "first" and "last", [so the phrase in question] describes Jehovah's Godship.

  The online Hebrew Bible Explorer gives the KJV text as: Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of host: I am the first, and I am the last, and beside Me there is no God. It vocalizes the Hebrew as ko-a.mar a.do.nai me.lekh-yis.ra.el ve.go.a.lo a.do.nai tse.va.ot a.ni ri.shon va.a.ni a.kha.ron u.mi.bal.a.daiein e.lo.him:

  From my rudimentary knowledge of Hebrew, I note that a.do.nai[=LORD] is used in place of ye.ho.vah[=Jehovah]. Also, the phrase in question [the first and the last] is literally a.ni[=I am] ri.shon[=first, in front (of all)] va.a.ni[=and I am] a.kha.ron[=last, behind (all)]. I get the idea that Jehovah sets the parameters, that Jehovah disciplines by both instruction and support.
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  Should I wait to be questioned by the elders? or take my leave in advance?

  by Thinking of Leaving in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi everyone, i recently joined this forum as i'm close to being df.

  i am suppose to meet with a judical committee soon but was thinking that i don't want to go through those personal questions that i'm sure the elders would ask.

  does anyone know, is it better to just tell the elders before, say like on the phone, that i want to be df and not go through the committee?

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  Fred E Hathaway

  Since you don't want to lie, but you want to be free to engage in "worldly" behavior, why not just say that like you're doing here? — in a little letter, which you make a copy for yourself. But by all means think all the parts out very carefully, since you'll be the one living with the consequences. Like Dr.Phil says on his TV show: We choose our consequences.
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  Do you even care about the war of the Muslims?

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a man i knew very well at work, who i even traveled to mexico with on a company trip, is a muslim from afghanistan.

  he told me once, "never trust any muslim, as they will not tell you the truth about themselves until it is too late.

  " i found this interesting as this man was muslim.

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  Fred E Hathaway

  while the drunks and the drug addicts kill each other over here, right?